BBE
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Post by BBE on Dec 19, 2008 11:51:22 GMT -5
thank you swillis for understanding where im coming from with this.... it seems like no one else does.... i dont think i could have said it better myself.. i love getting to hear the new songs at shows also and would hate to see him stop playing them because people video them and post them on youtube before he can release them... Hey, Christine, I can back you up on what Marty said, because I was at the same show at Shaker's in Cambridge, Ohio, where he made that request again, in person this time, from the stage. He asked that people not post video or sound recordings of the unreleased songs, because that's not how he wants them premiered to the world. You are absolutely correct that he said that himself. Marty ASKED us fans to not do that. He doesn't HAVE to play the new music for us at shows, but he does to please us. Can't we return the favor by honoring this simple request from him? I'm sure the young girls who made that recording were simply unaware of that, and if his request is pointed out to them, I'm sure they will want to honor that request by taking down the video. I'm really not sure why anyone who doesn't have respect for Marty and his requests would even bother to come to this chatboard. There are plenty of other places on the internet to go. I'm also not sure why someone would post something so mean-spirited to a young girl who is only letting people know what Marty himself said. Perhaps those people who disagree with Marty's request should take it up with the man himself, instead of picking on his fans. Furthermore, I think MANY, MANY people will be having the opportunity to see Marty perform in the future. Again, I'm not sure why someone who has so little faith in Marty's career to say that MOST people won't have a chance to see him perform, would even come to this chatboard. I also want to point out the following sentence that is on the main MartyCasey.com site: "Copyright music infringement will not be tolerated."I think that explains things pretty well.
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Post by LL on Dec 19, 2008 12:18:07 GMT -5
I'm really not sure why anyone who doesn't have respect for Marty and his requests would even bother to come to this chatboard. There are plenty of other places on the internet to go. Furthermore, I think MANY, MANY people will be having the opportunity to see Marty perform in the future. Again, I'm not sure why someone who has so little faith in Marty's career to say that MOST people won't have a chance to see him perform, would even come to this chatboard. Nancy, I think you've stepped out of bounds here by telling other people what is "respect" and questioning why they are here. I won't even get into the "faith" part. Nobody publicly judges you on your extreme devotion, so please don't judge those of us who are her just for fun.
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Post by Cindy on Dec 19, 2008 12:36:17 GMT -5
LL
I fail to see what is fun about your posts. They come across as mostly mean-spirited toward other members. For someone who wants to present them selves as just being here for the FUN of it...you seem to spend a lot of time over here trying to pick fights.
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Post by LL on Dec 19, 2008 12:48:48 GMT -5
LL I fail to see what is fun about your posts. They come across as mostly mean-spirited toward other members. For someone who wants to present them selves as just being here for the FUN of it...you seem to spend a lot of time over here trying to pick fights. Thank you for your reply Cindy. I am sorry if my post came off as mean-spirited. OTOH Nancy basically said that those who don't think like her should not be on this forum. I think that is mean-spirited.
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Post by Cindy on Dec 19, 2008 12:56:52 GMT -5
It isn't just this one post, LL. It is mutiple posts in multiple threads. I don't much care for babysitting the board, but unfortunately you have put me in that position. You just seem to always have to have the last word and so I have to sit here and follow you around the board to make sure you don't pick on the other members.
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BBE
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Post by BBE on Dec 19, 2008 13:12:03 GMT -5
I'm really not sure why anyone who doesn't have respect for Marty and his requests would even bother to come to this chatboard. There are plenty of other places on the internet to go. Furthermore, I think MANY, MANY people will be having the opportunity to see Marty perform in the future. Again, I'm not sure why someone who has so little faith in Marty's career to say that MOST people won't have a chance to see him perform, would even come to this chatboard. Nancy, I think you've stepped out of bounds here by telling other people what is "respect" and questioning why they are here. I won't even get into the "faith" part. Nobody publicly judges you on your extreme devotion, so please don't judge those of us who are her just for fun. On the contrary, I am often 'judged' for my support of Marty. I have often been the target of abuse because of that. That's OK, though, I'm a tough cookie, and not easily intimidated. Furthermore, I didn't mention any names, so if you see yourself in what I wrote, that says something right there. I will say again, this chatboard is on Marty's official site, and is in support of him. I have to wonder why someone would come here just to pick on his fans and insult him, too. Why would anyone take time out of their day to bother with that? I fail to understand that motivation.
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Post by Rachel on Dec 19, 2008 13:24:27 GMT -5
thank you swillis for understanding where im coming from with this.... it seems like no one else does.... i dont think i could have said it better myself.. i love getting to hear the new songs at shows also and would hate to see him stop playing them because people video them and post them on youtube before he can release them... Hey, Christine, I can back you up on what Marty said, because I was at the same show at Shaker's in Cambridge, Ohio, where he made that request again, in person this time, from the stage. He asked that people not post video or sound recordings of the unreleased songs, because that's not how he wants them premiered to the world. You are absolutely correct that he said that himself. Marty ASKED us fans to not do that. He doesn't HAVE to play the new music for us at shows, but he does to please us. Can't we return the favor by honoring this simple request from him? I'm sure the young girls who made that recording were simply unaware of that, and if his request is pointed out to them, I'm sure they will want to honor that request by taking down the video. I'm really not sure why anyone who doesn't have respect for Marty and his requests would even bother to come to this chatboard. There are plenty of other places on the internet to go. I'm also not sure why someone would post something so mean-spirited to a young girl who is only letting people know what Marty himself said. Perhaps those people who disagree with Marty's request should take it up with the man himself, instead of picking on his fans. Furthermore, I think MANY, MANY people will be having the opportunity to see Marty perform in the future. Again, I'm not sure why someone who has so little faith in Marty's career to say that MOST people won't have a chance to see him perform, would even come to this chatboard. I also want to point out the following sentence that is on the main MartyCasey.com site: "Copyright music infringement will not be tolerated."I think that explains things pretty well. You are awesome Nancy! I couldnt have said it any better myself The video is still up though....erg... some people really irritate me A LOT! O well, as christine asked real nice for them to take it down, and they wont do it, theres not much we can do. I hate it when some people take it over the top, A certain postie ahem... thnks to mods for addressing it! And agian, if im somehow insulting or ya know someones gotta reply and be a baby about it, dont attack poeple, please we where here to disscuss yet another awesome Acoustic show! So if u want to attach me for posting, just know you have no idea who your talking to and you have no idea who I am, or who anyone hear is, so eithier be postitive about the music or leave.... plain and simple. now pease can we get back to the music! (and please take that video dow!) Peace!
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Post by drooftopmom on Dec 19, 2008 15:20:33 GMT -5
Thank you to those who welcomed me to the boards!!! I've watched the boards since RockStar INXS and have only posted twice before this. I just met Nancy at the show and she said I should get on here more. I had no idea that by me posting the links, all this drama would occur!!! I simply saw the videos and thought OMG they are awesome!! Marty did not say anything that night about not videoing his show. The girls who videoed the songs were across from me and I had my camera going too. I overheard them giggling together about what a great time it was and how excited they were to be there. They definitely sounded like new fams!!! I am sure they didn't mean anything by posting the videos. And I'm sure when they see the request, they'll probably take it down. The venue was small enough that I know Marty saw we were taping. We were right next to him (OMG that was so exciting to be that close!!! ) So I guess what I'm saying is, take a chill!!!! It's one video and a lot of people who don't get to see him alllll the time were really excited to hear the song!!! I know that I live through you guys who get to travel all around seeing him play. I love all your pictures and reviews and your videos too!!! Anyway, I am sorry to have caused all this chaos.........
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Post by Rachel on Dec 19, 2008 15:31:29 GMT -5
lol, dtmom, u didnt cause all this!? its just some poeple are really rude sometimes
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swillis
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Post by swillis on Dec 19, 2008 17:03:42 GMT -5
Cgs- I absolutely understand where you are coming from. Really, it's no different than going to a movie and making a bootleg movie copy and putting it out there. Yes, the theater is a public place, but it is illegal and there are laws against it. I think technology is great, but lines can easily be crossed inadvertently that shouldn't be.
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Post by RockToe on Dec 19, 2008 17:09:51 GMT -5
I also want to point out the following sentence that is on the main MartyCasey.com site: "Copyright music infringement will not be tolerated."I think that explains things pretty well. Shhhhhhh... Not so loud... In one of the videos Marty is singing a Pink Floyd song, and in another Britney Spears ... Just kidding, I'm sure he's paying royalties
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Post by hammeredham on Dec 19, 2008 22:37:28 GMT -5
I also want to point out the following sentence that is on the main MartyCasey.com site: "Copyright music infringement will not be tolerated."I think that explains things pretty well. [img src=" martycasey.org/emoticons/shhh.gif"] [/IMG] Shhhhhhh... Not so loud... In one of the videos Marty is singing a Pink Floyd song, and in another Britney Spears [img src=" martycasey.org/emoticons/whistle.gif"][/IMG] ... Just kidding, I'm sure he's paying royalties [/quote] That would seem to be a pretty complicated issue, and oddly enough, not usually the responsibility of the performer! Huh?, I hear you cry......... I have been digging around at this for a while now just to learn how to deal with it for my own stuff. The two "Performance Rights Organizations" (AKA as a "PRO") most commonly used here in the US are ASCAP and BMI. The stated goal, of course, is to get the songwriters (and others) "royalties" for performances (and recordings etc which is a whole other can of worms) of their previously released works. Does somebody who gets up in front of the crowd at a "venue" pay this? Nope - at least, so far as I can tell in my research at this point. Rather, it is the VENUE who pays (typically) a blanket yearly fee to allow performers to cover someone else's songs at their bar, club, whatever. Radio broadcasting is similar but not really to the point here. "freeadvice.com" says this: ".....the usual situation is not for the bands to get licenses to cover songs themselves -- generally the bar or club themselves will pay a blanket licensing fee so that any band that plays in the club is automatically covered (they also need the license for their jukebox, etc.). " Here's how Wikipedia defines a "cover": "In popular music, a cover version, or simply cover, is a new rendition (performance or recording) of a previously recorded, commercially released song." I guess the closest thing I can find to a "mission statement" from a PRO comes from the BMI website: "A “performing right” is granted by the U.S. Copyright Act to owners of musical works to license those works for public performance. Businesses which typically license music include broadcast radio and TV stations, cable radio and TV stations, places such as nightclubs, hotels, discos, and other establishments that use music in an effort to enhance their business. There are hundreds of thousands of establishments - radio and television stations, nightclubs, hotels, amusement parks and the like - in the U.S. where music is publicly performed. It would be virtually impossible for individuals to monitor these music users themselves. Therefore, BMI acquires rights from writers and publishers and in turn grants licenses to use its entire repertoire to users of music. BMI collects license fees from each user of music BMI licenses, and distributes to its writers and publishers all the money collected, other than what is needed for operating expenses." So I doubt that Marty has any problems from performing the aformentioned Pink Floyd song or the one done by Britney Spears. What appears to be happening is that these two artists, who probably belong to either ASCAP or BMI have thus agreed to allow their PRO to collect licensing fees from venues on their behalf - the PRO then pays the royalties to the artists. HH
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Post by cgs2007 on Dec 19, 2008 23:07:25 GMT -5
i appriciate everyone here who has stuck up for what i am saying. i didnt mean it in any way as trying to stop anyone from videoing marty. i was just simply trying to let them know what martys wishes are about the new songs. i know new fans might not know it, so thats why i brought it up.
i already explained to Drooftopmom that i only asked her because i thought it was her videos. thats why i sent the person on youtube a VERY POLITE message telling them of martys wishes about videoing and asked them NICELY to take it down out of respect for him.
there was NO need for any of this drama to occur because i asked her to take down the video. and i appologize to the MODS here for causing any drama or trouble for them...
i was only trying to look out for marty and his wishes.
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Post by RockToe on Dec 19, 2008 23:26:46 GMT -5
HH - Interesting discussion. ASCAP & BMI have different types of licenses for establishments with rates based on the manner in which music is performed: live, recorded, or audio & visual. Most places such as coffee shops, retail stores, and public venues would only have the license for recorded music *if* any at all. Probably not appropriate to go into specific locations as it pertains to Marty, but the irony of citing copyright rules struck me as a bit funny Just to go full-circle back to the video posts, it is further interesting to note that YouTube is embroiled in a lawsuit because they don't pay ASCAP. But that obviously has nothing to do with Marty.
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Post by hammeredham on Dec 20, 2008 6:12:04 GMT -5
HH - Interesting discussion. ASCAP & BMI have different types of licenses for establishments with rates based on the manner in which music is performed: live, recorded, or audio & visual. Most places such as coffee shops, retail stores, and public venues would only have the license for recorded music *if* any at all. Probably not appropriate to go into specific locations as it pertains to Marty, but the irony of citing copyright rules struck me as a bit funny Just to go full-circle back to the video posts, it is further interesting to note that YouTube is embroiled in a lawsuit because they don't pay ASCAP. But that obviously has nothing to do with Marty. What's really funny to me is that the only people who seem happy about the way ASCAP and BMI do business are ASCAP and BMI and a few artists who actually benefit from them. If you dig into some of the website matches on things like "ASCAP vs. BMI" there's a HUGE number of angry people.....angry at BOTH of them. The history of both organizations seems checkered IFF you accept what posters at those discussion sites have to say. In neither case do I see them so much involved in copyright issues per se as they are in royalty collection via licenses. Check it out - it's an interesting insight into the notion of "who does what" in the music business, which isn't always the friendliest place. As for YouTube, they wouldn't be the first and won't be the last, I am guessing, to get hounded by a PRO. HH
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Post by jupiterjane on Dec 20, 2008 9:16:31 GMT -5
LL, We do appreciate filming of released songs....especially since many of us don't get to make it to that many shows....so THANK YOU for your high quality filming where the sound was actually good! I understand the excitement of wanting to promote Marty and his new music. But I too have heard Marty's request to please NOT put any videos of his new songs up on you tube. While this was a public place, many concerts now a days are NOT letting fans bring cameras or cell phones in for EXACTLY this reason. It is the artist's right to protect the copyright of their original material and to change their policy about filming and photo at their performances. I would hate to not be able to re-live the show through the lucky fans who are able to go. Let me also say, I talked to Marty before his show at the Arboretum and told him how much I loved a couple of his new songs and that if it was OK with him, I would like to film them since I was not sure if/when I would make it to another show (and that is the only way I can hear them!) and promised that I would not release them to anyone or post them in any public forum out of respect and he told me that was OK. I know you may have felt attacked here on the board in this thread, please understand the fans here are connected to to Marty and to each other, we are all so lucky to have found each other through this music and too feel threatened and defensive when we see something that might be detrimental to those relationships. I hope you will please consider removing the video from YOUTUBE. I do believe this has probably been brought to Marty's attention and he probably has the right to go straight to YOUTUBE and have the video removed or possibly your account shut down.
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Post by Rachel on Dec 20, 2008 10:47:31 GMT -5
the vids still up, i flagged it but i dunno if that would help? I love JJ comment about how we are all connected to marty and each other, and its so true! We all love Marty so much and really enjoy hanging out at shows! So its only natural for us so stick up for our freinds! luv ya guys!
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Post by bostongirl on Dec 20, 2008 11:09:21 GMT -5
Everyone has a right to their opinions and we certainly have seen the same people on this board with opinions that Marty is off base not wanting to have unreleased music spread across the internet. And although the copyright discussion is interesting, there is only one relevant fact.
Marty Casey has openly requested in public to many people that he does not want his unreleased music posted on the internet. It his his wish, his career, his art. He has every right to have his art available to the public in the manner of his choice. Those that respect Marty will honor his request. Those that do not respect him will not.
Liz
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Post by fido500 on Dec 20, 2008 11:17:19 GMT -5
Well then it would be a lot simpler if Marty simply did not perform the new stuff in public. End of story.
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Post by jupiterjane on Dec 20, 2008 12:26:35 GMT -5
It would be simpler if he did not, I agree. He is doing it for his fans, and his fans are grateful and do NOT want to see that end. Since its the season, I'll use an appropriate analogy. While it is tempting to peek at your presents, its always more fun for the person giving the gift and the person receiving the present to be surprised on Christmas morning. I remember spoiling my surprise ONE time and I regretted and will never do it again!
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