Speaking of Nirvana.....

[Amy]

The "Lithium" thread made me think about Kurt Cobain. I still miss him.

I've seen pics of Courtney recently - the mess of her going back into a lock-down rehab. But without getting into her whole trainwreck of a personal life, has anyone seen the photos of Frances Bean? She looks *just like* her Dad. Those eyes. She has Kurt's eyes.

That poor little girl has had a hard life - and growing into her 20's won't be much easier if Courtney continues down the road she's been traveling for the past 15 years.

[twog8kds]

I miss Nirvana and Kurt Cobain as well. They do remain one of my favorite bands ever and I never get tired of listening to their CD's. There was a very interesting article in Teen Vogue about Frances Bean - they were discussing it on Sirius (alt. nation) this morning and she talked alot about Courtney in the interview. I think she is a very grounded young woman and mature beyond her years.

I think Kurt would of approved of Marty's version of "Lithium" and it was such a pleasure hearing him do that song justice.

[chanvre]

Dude, Frances definitely has Kurt's eyes. It sucks so bad that she never knew him.

[asthmaticagnostic]

I have live :'(d with that gunshot in my heart since April 94.

[spocky]

i wish he never died.... he was an astonishing artist and one of the founders of grunge music...

[asthmaticagnostic]

I must be the only one who liked Courtney too...I never believed for a second all the BS people say...

But Kurt breaks my heart. Marty became my favorite with Lithium. It was respectful.

[rockbeast]

I liked Courtney. And dont believe the BS people say. I met the both of them when I worked security at a secret Nirvana gig in October, 1993 that was a benefit for Mia Zapata (of the Gits), Kurt was nice but VERY VERY shy and soft spoken. He was also f**ked up on something, Courtney was stuck up towards me and very stand offish, she got in a fight backstage that night with Barbara the g/f of Tad from the band Tad (who also played the benefit)

I was in the pit thowing the crowd surfers back over the barricade but caught myself turning around to watch Nirvana. LOL. Kurt cracked me up when he played Terry Jacks- Seasons in the Sun. I love that song. I was lucky to see Nirvana in Jan. 1994 as well, just a couple of months before the tragedy.

I went to his memorial service and signed the huge collage (what ever became of that collage I wonder...) My g/f and I at the time were on the news (just holding each other and crying and Alison was holding white flowers). The radio station had set up a stage and they played a tape that Courtney made and sent to the station, she said she was really sorry and she was crying and very angry about it. On my black leather jacket in white/grey silver glitter I have "K.C. 1967-1994" funny, I have a conure parrot named KC or Casey. I named him after Kurt Cobain. My bird was born July 22, 1993. He is 12 now.

[rockbeast]

Maybe I should get a girl parrot and name her Marty? Then I would have Marty Casey!

I work with a lady in her fifties named MartyJo and we call her MJ for short

[sheowl]

I was lucky enough to see Kurt perform at "The Vogue" in Seattle before he hit it huge. I too still miss him, and every once and awhile need to break out my video of Nirvana playing on MTV Acoustic . Do you all remember where you were when you heard of the tragedy? I was busy typing away in my office, surrounded by a bunch of telemarketers (most all of whom were aspiring musicians) when the news that a body had been discovered at the Cobain home in Seattle. The radio was turned up, and there was nothing but stunned and devastated silence for hours as we all silently listened for some glimmer of hope that Kurt hadn't actually succeeded in ending it all for himself.

I recently moved to Grays Harbor, about 6 miles from where Kurt grew up, and I think it has given me even a bit more appreciation for him, because now I a beginning to understand how the area he grew up may have effected him and his music.

[asthmaticagnostic]

Rockbeast Your post rocked!!!!!!!

It was so cool read what you lived! You are from Seattle, my favorite city in the US and you LIVED THROUGH IT. Yeah, I know many think that was a F****d Up time, but I think the music scene had never had such a thrilling time since the early 70s.

I have read and own every single book that was written on KC & CL, and sometimes I still do not understand how people can blame somebody else for Kurt's death.

I have never done hard drugs, never will, and I never advocated their use, but often I wonder why all the musicians that I admired and loved to pieces are or were addicts, from John Lennon to Andrew Wood, Layne and Kurt. There must be a tie between hard drugs and creativity I can't fathom.

I miss the real scene, and I don't know if the LH will stay the same after the big bucks arrive...Easier for us to say "Don't change", but with great success come great traps.

Bye from SanFran

[rockbeast]

sheowl said:

I was lucky enough to see Kurt perform at "The Vogue" in Seattle before he hit it huge. I too still miss him, and every once and awhile need to break out my video of Nirvana playing on MTV Acoustic . Do you all remember where you were when you heard of the tragedy? I was busy typing away in my office, surrounded by a bunch of telemarketers (most all of whom were aspiring musicians) when the news that a body had been discovered at the Cobain home in Seattle. The radio was turned up, and there was nothing but stunned and devastated silence for hours as we all silently listened for some glimmer of hope that Kurt hadn't actually succeeded in ending it all for himself.

I recently moved to Grays Harbor, about 6 miles from where Kurt grew up, and I think it has given me even a bit more appreciation for him, because now I a beginning to understand how the area he grew up may have effected him and his music.

I was at work in Lynnwood, as a receptionist and this girl came in from her lunch hour and heard it on 107.7 THE END. and this asswipe I worked with said "Good, I am glad that stupid hippie is dead" I cannot repeat what I said to him, but I had to go home for the rest of the day because I was so upset. Same with Andrew Wood and Layne Staley (Who I know pretty well)...

[rockbeast]

asthmaticagnostic said:

Rockbeast Your post rocked!!!!!!!

It was so cool read what you lived! You are from Seattle, my favorite city in the US and you LIVED THROUGH IT. Yeah, I know many think that was a F****d Up time, but I think the music scene had never had such a thrilling time since the early 70s.

I have read and own every single book that was written on KC & CL, and sometimes I still do not understand how people can blame somebody else for Kurt's death.

I have never done hard drugs, never will, and I never advocated their use, but often I wonder why all the musicians that I admired and loved to pieces are or were addicts, from John Lennon to Andrew Wood, Layne and Kurt. There must be a tie between hard drugs and creativity I can't fathom.

I miss the real scene, and I don't know if the LH will stay the same after the big bucks arrive...Easier for us to say "Don't change", but with great success come great traps.

Bye from SanFran

Thank you! I liked your post too!! I have never done hard drugs either. I have seen it destroy hundreds. I have smoked pot and taken pain pills. That is about it. I dont smoke nicotine anymore, Dec 23rd will be my one year anniv TOBACCO FREE!

The weather here is what depresses so many people, last year I suffered "winter blues" and it sucked, I didnt know what was wrong with me. I think I am bipolar.

[sheowl]

asthmaticagnostic - Seattle was a rockin' then.

We were very lucky that the world finally got a chance to hear all the awesome bands we had. Nirvana, Alice in Chains, Sky Cries Mary, Screaming Trees, SoundGarden, Pearl Jam, Queensryche, Mud Honey, Candlebox, Presidents of the United States of America... tons and tons that never got the exposure they deserved either. I was in my prime then, and had the opportunity to see all of them.

From my understanding though (from a letter I read that Kurt wrote a friend) he started his hard drug use to help with an undiagnosed stomach ailment he suffered from. Kurt was also prone to chronic depression - a problem that was familial and this led to drug use, and to his eventual suicide. He had family members that had also taken their own lives as a result of it. Many artists whom suffer from chronic depression are also the most prolific and talented - unfortunately, many turn to drugs to help alleviate their pain, sadly it only intensified it for them.

[sheowl]

Rockbeast - you are awesome...I woulda knocked the guy out. I actually named my Son Layne when he was born....Layne's death was also a shock and great tragedy...I had the pleasure of meeting Layne briefly in the U district on the street outside Gargoyles!! He was sweet, quiet and very nice. Even that brief meeting with him was enough to make me fall into a pool of my own drool. You are a lucky man indeed.

[asthmaticagnostic]

OMG, sheowl, were you ever on the Cantrell Board??
I remember somebody naming her son Layne
I was on the old board until it became way too scary...I have been on the new and improved, but, alas, not enough time.

You guys are superkool. I am a huge Alice and Kurt fan, but I like everything coming from Seattle from those days. I know people who have dated Jerry and some who have actually seen most of these bands live. Unfortunately I lived in Europe until 1998, and when I finally got to Seattle it was all over.


My neighbor is from Seattle and told me about the depression and the blues that catches you up there, but I hope to move to the Northwest one day - my dream is Vancouver because the US are becoming way too bleeped up....

Rock on, guys!!!

[sheowl]

You know...the winter rain blues never get to me. I love the rain here. In fact, thats why I didnt mind moving down here to the "rainforest" area in WA. I do understand though, that it effects a lot of Northwesterner's, my Mom seems to suffer from the winter blues. I, on the other hand, love a good storm, watchin the rain pelt the land and sittin' by a warm fire drinkin hot tea is my idea of a good time... but then again...I'm a visual artist and poet, and thats how I get my inspiration. hugs to you asthma

P.S. Nope, never on the Cantrell board... just loved the name Layne and really liked the man that inspired it...

[rockbeast]

Sheowl- you rule!! Sky Cries Mary were excellent, I cannot count how many times I saw them, the OK Hotel, Under the Rail, Endfest 93..... So many great bands, Love Brother Nine, Paisley Sin, Cats and Dogs, Green Apple Quickstep, Tad.

I would like to meet up with you by the slot machines after INXS Friday to ask how the show was!

Lets have a drink and talk about the old days.

[sheowl]

Vaguely remember greenapple quickstep (dirty water ocean? or is it muddy water ocean) Gawd, I'm old and senile...and of course Tad. (Jack Pepsi rules) I also remember seeing Seaweed, and I am sooo excited 'cause Sky Cries Mary is back together and playing shows again! Check out skycriesmary.com! They even have a live video of "nowhere to go" that you can download.

See you at the slots!! Would be fun. Now, if I am not too senile to remember those hazy days we should have a lot to chat about!

How bout these old nw bands:
black happy
shovel jerk (black happy without the horns)
no means no
metal church
rorschack test (sorry, spelling is not my forte)
green river (pearl jam -veder +mark arm)

and of course sweaty nipples (yikes..hope I dont get moderated for that...IT WAS AN ACTUAL BANDNAME!)

[rockbeast]

I have all the demos of black happy/shovel jerk. what about the crocs? Hungry Crocodiles!!! David Wayne the original singer of Metal Church was a good friend of mine and lived with me in Ballard for 3 months in 1991. He passed away this past May. Its so sad. I lie about my age in profiles. I am older than dirt and senile as well. I am 43 actually.

[sheowl]

HAHAHA! Rockbeast...no need to lie, 40 is the new 30 - at least thats what I hear. I never admit my true age, but..just for you, since you were so brave -


I'm 39. But dont look a day over 40. ;D