Who should have won? - my opinion (bow)

[cormacpendragon]

Finale night - everything and everyone in confusion... which rocker will stand... which rocker will fall ... who will have the prestige to be a front of INXS? - Marty or JD?

"Here comes Marty !" - a lot of fans jumped up with joy as this guy stands up for the first time that night. An extraordinary display of talent was made, possessed by the power of music... he blew out peoples minds that night. in every song, in every line... in every word... perfect! He was just spectacular! Magnificent was the performance, Amazing were the songs. The audience were just spellbinded, screaming, applausing.

JD - the man who really wanted to be a part of INXS. It can be seen in his eyes the struggle to survive, the fright and fear in order to live in Marty's songs. And now he sings - A good performance i should say. But this one was different. He has the power to charm the audience - this one can control the crowd in the way he likes it. He seems a part of the audience. That is his power. A simple performance turn good because of the two worlds. Its not just because of the performance, it is how he made the audience a part of it.

I tried not to be one-sided on this part, but that night... Marty reighned. He doesnt have the charm to control the crowd as JD did. He has the power to blow people's minds - thats how he do it.

And now the decision--" who will be the front of INXS? "
"JD" was heard. The world trembled for a while for a lot of fans and others that expected Marty to win.

I think he could do good in INXS - but he can be better to be his own way with his own band... with his own songs. God has a pusrpose, God has a reason. Marty's talent could be boxed with INXS' songs. We wouln't like that do you?

A versatile artist like Marty Casey needs more than that - and it ended up in a better way. As a rocker myself - in bloodline and spirit - Marty is a rare and pure talent.

Who should have won? well the contest is for "who is suited for INXS?" Marty deserves more than that. It is just right for JD.
Marty has a long way to go. Marty has a lot of worlds to connive. Marty can do more things out of INXS.

I pray that i can have comments from Marty. I will truly appreciate it if i you could help me guys.

Marty - Do we think the same way how these things turned out for you? Thank you and may God's blessing be with you. Good luck man and more power!

[oceancat46]

Hi cormacpendragon -

Marty has said in interviews that "the universe got it right" - by giving him the opportunity to demonstrate his talent on Rockstar:INXS and then take Lovehammers - His Band - out on tour to amaze and meet their new fans.

For instance, this one - linked on the front page of MartyCasey.org - the interview with Marty and Dino is toward the end of the hour -

"Klublife Radio Podcast of Feb 21 Features Interview with Marty Casey & Dino Kourelis. Listen to it here."

There's lots of goodies linked from that front page - I hope you get a chance to check it out.

Welcome to the boards -

CJ
Oregon Coast

[radioclash]

You know even before the finale when JD chose "You Can't Always Get What You Want" that's when I knew that that's exactly what was going to happen. Of course, the next line is "But if you try sometimes well you might find
You get what you need". That pretty much sums up the whole outcome of the show for me. I thought what I wanted was for Marty to win, but I think that he did end up in a much better position placing second.


When asked, he usually says that he got the best of both worlds by placing second. He got to stick with Lovehammers but he got the exposure from being on the show and was able to open for INXS.

[wendyc122]

Marty seems to be satisfied with the outcome, and it really is better for him in the long run (and better for us, too). He will tour more often and have the control he needs to express his own musical vision. It will be interesting to see where he and JD are a couple of years from now. Personally, I think Marty's creativity, style, intelligence, and intensity will take him much farther than JD's "charm."

[Stiletto]

wendyc122 said:

He will have the control he needs to express his own musical vision.

All four of those guys have the control they need........they work very well together writing lyrics, creating melodies etc....working a song from infancy to adulthood...........nurturing it until they can set it free for all the world to hear..........

So it has been written.........so it shall be..........Just ask Marty.......

;D

[rockbeast]

yeah and marty said that even if he would have won, it was a one year contract and he would have been in the LH still and they would not have broken up.

[chk]

radioclash said:

You know even before the finale when JD chose "You Can't Always Get What You Want" that's when I knew that that's exactly what was going to happen. Of course, the next line is "But if you try sometimes well you might find
You get what you need". That pretty much sums up the whole outcome of the show for me. I thought what I wanted was for Marty to win, but I think that he did end up in a much better position placing second.


When asked, he usually says that he got the best of both worlds by placing second. He got to stick with Lovehammers but he got the exposure from being on the show and was able to open for INXS.

and of course What You Need is an INXS song. lol

[deli]

I totally agree that JD is best suited for INXS. Marty would have been stifled. And to stay with INXS for the one year contract and then leave would not have looked good and could have had some backlash. I don't understand all the badmouthing of JD and INXS that has been around. Personally I thank INXS for doing the show and introducing Marty and Lovehammers to me as I probably wouldn't have found them any other way. The only thing that would have been good about Marty in INXS would be that he would have been here three times instead of the one short show I got to see. I'm willing to wait though to see him with Lovehammers. Definately worth the wait!!

[cormacpendragon]

Thank you guys for a warm welcome. I truly appreciate it. Im serching for the lovehammers album but i couldnt find one. Its already sold out.

[penny74]

Which album are you looking for?

Marty Casey and Lovehammers and Murder on my Mind are both available!

Click here to buy them:
www.martycasey.org/shop.htm

[radioclash]

And L'Strange is available on iTunes if that's the one you were looking for.

chk - I didn't even think about "What You Need". Now I'm scrambling to think - Is that the song JD sang before they announced the winner?

[desinsantarosaca]

There's noooooo question second was the best scenario for Marty.

It's funny, I love to watch the performance videos still from RS:INXS, but after learning so much about him as a Lovehammer band member I look at the RS:INXS videos so much differently, like that is not really him and his true self. It was just Marty put under the RS:INXS contraints.

If you just saw him on RS and never saw him as a LH you might think he was learning to be a performer for the first time. In fact though, he was already a superstar performer, we just hadn't heard of him yet. His true talent was stifled on the show. We saw it though and looked for more about him. Thank goodness! That's the best part of the RS show for Marty and us fans.

[radioclash]

desinsantarosaca said:

There's noooooo question second was the best scenario for Marty.

It's funny, I love to watch the performance videos still from RS:INXS, but after learning so much about him as a Lovehammer band member I look at the RS:INXS videos so much differently, like that is not really him and his true self. It was just Marty put under the RS:INXS contraints.

If you just saw him on RS and never saw him as a LH you might think he was learning to be a performer for the first time. In fact though, he was already a superstar performer, we just hadn't heard of him yet. His true talent was stifled on the show. We saw it though and looked for more about him. Thank goodness! That's the best part of the RS show for Marty and us fans.

Very true! When I re-watch RS INXS everything is shaded by what I know now.

[Ceeje]

I agree that Marty got the best end of the deal by finishing second. He's at his best in Lh. He's free to be a complete artist and to express himself without the constraints that INXS wanted to put on him.

I think JD was the most like Michael, and if that's what INXS wanted, then he was the best choice. But, I think Suzie would have been a good choice if they had been willing to go in a new direction w/INXS. But, I don't think they wanted a woman to begin with. :/

[simonjackson]

Marty should have won.....then instead of playing at shopping ctrs, they'd be selling out stadiums.
Was JD crap...of course not, but he virtually botched the whole thing until he came up with PV.

Switch isn't anything like old INXS, so why take a Hutchence clone and make a completely new sound.

Put simply, Marty was the right man for the job.

[wendyc122]

simonjackson said:

Marty should have won.....then instead of playing at shopping ctrs, they'd be selling out stadiums.
Was JD crap...of course not, but he virtually botched the whole thing until he came up with PV.

Switch isn't anything like old INXS, so why take a Hutchence clone and make a completely new sound.

Put simply, Marty was the right man for the job.

Well, now I'm flogging a very dead horse, but it has always bothered me that JD got full songwriting credit for PV ... not because of whether or not Marty and Jordis contributed to the song, but because the music came from Andrew Farriss and it gave JD a huge platform to work from. And Marty himself pointed out that the melody line JD came up with was very similar to a pre-existing INXS song (which I don't know).

I'm sure that INXS is very aware of JD's personal quirks. We also don't know how much footage was edited out of RS that may have balanced out our perceptions. Mark Burnett likes controversial moments; they make better TV. It's easy to forget that this was also a reality TV show, not just a music show.

It really will be interesting to see where Marty and JD are in a couple of years. Marty is a mature performer and mature human being; JD still has a lot of growing up to do. I don't see myself following JD's career. On the other hand, I'll follow Marty to as many places as I can!

[simonjackson]

wendyc122 said:

[ And Marty himself pointed out that the melody line JD came up with was very similar to a pre-existing INXS song (which I don't know).

It really will be interesting to see where Marty and JD are in a couple of years. Marty is a mature performer and mature human being; JD still has a lot of growing up to do. I don't see myself following JD's career. On the other hand, I'll follow Marty to as many places as I can!

The song was Strangest Party.
JD will be arrested for exposing himself as he's prone to do of late, LOL.

[chk]

i think the PV thing has been pretty much cleared up, but I will say I knew in my bones that He Who Shall Not Be Named would win when he was allowed to perform PV as an original. As Wendy pointed out, it's an INXS tune that he contributed lyrics/melody to.
I knew I was right when He Who Shall Not Be Named got the encore the next night -- over a little ditty called Trees. I think I yelled FIX!!!! at the television.

And so to Rock Star 2......

[simonjackson]

Yeah JD isn't a real musician.....actually, he'd be better suited to Canadian Idol....he should have entered CI3, that was a shockingly bad series and they could have used his eye opening gestures for entertainment value.....the audience were already Zombified by the lack of C13 talent, so a choice move to the crotch here or there would have livened the whole thing up.

[wendyc122]

simonjackson said:

Yeah JD isn't a real musician.....actually, he'd be better suited to Canadian Idol....he should have entered CI3, that was a shockingly bad series and they could have used his eye opening gestures for entertainment value.....the audience were already Zombified by the lack of C13 talent, so a choice move to the crotch here or there would have livened the whole thing up.

"choice move to the crotch" ...

Yes, JD did certainly like to rub himself, didn't he? Except when he was pogo dancing or doing that weird spaz move with his hand.

Seriously, I rewatched Marty's performance of "Lithium" last night, and the audience and house band's reaction to him was incredible. I think it was during that performance that one of the Farriss brothers said that Marty and the house band looked like a cohesive unit on stage. And then it hit me ...

... maybe Marty wasn't right for INXS. But they weren't right for him, either! If the situation was reversed and Marty was looking for a band to back him up, and INXS and the house band both auditioned for him, who would he choose?

The bottom line is that even meeting INXS half-way would have compromised Marty's integrity as an artist, and I don't mean personal integrity. I mean his ability to be fully creative and self-expressed. All you have to do is compare the two performances of "Don't Change" ... he was holding himself back when he was with INXS.

I'm not knocking INXS ... they are great at dance rock, or pop funk, or whatever you want to call it. But they and Marty don't mesh perfectly. It would be like Keith Moon drumming for the Beatles (for lack of a better example). Or Stephen Tyler singing with the Talking Heads. Just wouldn't work.