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Post by tonyfromtx on Jun 28, 2008 21:51:27 GMT -5
Here is another interview where Tracii's former band members speak badly about him. ya know I have yet to read an interview with Tracii where he says anything negative towards the other guys, I have spoken to Tracii in person where he could have gone off on those guys if he wanted to, but never did. shows what a class act Tracii is well here is the article... L.A. GUNS TAKING AIM AT L.A. GUNS: June 26, 2008 Andrew McGinn of the Springfield News-Sun reports that when you're young and rockin' the tops off girls, you never think the day will come when you'll get old and turn into Steppenwolf. But for L.A. Guns, one of the many bands in the '80s that oozed off the Sunset Strip and bubbled up through the gutters of every city in America, that day has come. As the band celebrates its 20th anniversary this year, two different groups, each calling themselves L.A. Guns, have shown up to the party. One, featuring original singer Phil Lewis and longtime drummer Steve Riley, will play locally at Spirits on Saturday, June 28. The other, formed a couple of years ago, features guitarist and band namesake Tracii Guns along with Marty Casey on vocals. If Casey's name doesn't ring a bell, you apparently don't watch enough reality TV -- he was a contestant on CBS' "Rock Star: INXS" in 2005. Guns and Riley co-own the name L.A. Guns. "Which is why, legally, he can have his own L.A. Guns," Riley explained. But for Riley, a hardened veteran of the Strip metal scene who first came to prominence with WASP, that doesn't mean he has to be happy about it. "In a nutshell, people should know, this is the band Tracii quit six years ago," he said. "He quit this band, which is the real L.A. Guns with Phil Lewis singing." Guns, who back in the day also hooked up with a guy, last name of Rose, to create Guns N' Roses, indeed left L.A. Guns in 2002 to join forces with Motley Crue's Nikki Sixx in Brides of Destruction. His abrupt departure, his old bandmates say, cost them a world tour with Alice Cooper. Then he went and did the unthinkable -- he put together a rival L.A. Guns. "It's totally bogus," Riley complained. "Yes, he was one of the founders, but we've turned into a classic-rock band. When I go to a classic-rock band, I want to hear the original singer." If there's an upside to it, Riley knows firsthand it won't be long before the bizarro L.A. Guns start shooting blanks. "I was a drummer for Steppenwolf in the '70s," he said. "It was one of the Steppenwolfs that had the original bass player and the original keyboard player. It didn't have (frontman) John Kay." Once audiences realized that version of Steppenwolf didn't include Kay, the original singer, "We phased out," he said. "Me and Phil are just waiting for it to fizzle out on its own," he said. Then L.A. Guns can get back to the task at hand -- rockin' the tops off middle-aged women. Everybody's older now, but for the mighty hard-rock bands that roamed the Earth until grunge blocked out the sun, this is a second golden age. "The '90s were kind of dark," Riley recalled. "It wasn't cool to like anything from the '80s. "It's totally turned over now. We have young kids now who are finding our music and are loving it. We're in a good place right now." Aside from "The Ballad of Jayne," a Top 40 power ballad in 1990, L.A. Guns was maybe lumped unfairly into the whole hair metal thing, anyway. Riley knows -- he was in a true hair metal band. "It was dressed down. In WASP, it was dressed up," he said. "When I joined L.A. Guns, it was stripped down to a street level, and the music was stripped down, too." Much like their cousins in Guns N' Roses, they were less Kiss and more Stones, especially on hard-grinding favorites like "Rip and Tear." "L.A. Guns was never as fluffy as some of the bands in the '80s," Riley bragged. "We always kept it at the street level." Courtesy of www.springfieldnewssun.com
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Post by tamashigirls on Jun 29, 2008 1:58:14 GMT -5
Gotta say Tony, that me and the band laugh out loud everytime we read something similar. You will never hear any band member of our layout talking shit about the others... If Lewis and Riley want to do that, well, it is their choice, but we just pay them with our indifference
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Post by lhfan4life on Jun 29, 2008 8:10:54 GMT -5
sounds like they are just jealous that Tracii's Guns are getting more exposure now that he went out and formed his new lineup!!
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Post by sarasotajenny on Jun 29, 2008 9:46:39 GMT -5
I must say I never realized how much politics was invloved in the music business. As a fan, I never really thought about it. I guess there were always signs-good bands not getting a break, stations playing the same 20 songs over and over. Even though there is a plethora of songs to choose from...(arg!)..But this is the first time i have looked at it- at "street level" (lol) Back in the day- if a band i liked changed or faded away- i waited to see and then moved on or I didn't- short attention span an all. I new the main players in the main groups but i can't tell you where Steven Tylor grew up or how many siblings Mick Jaggar has. But i could pick out either voice-no matter who they were singing with. Whether it was with their respected bands, Bette Midler or RunDMC. But when one starts to really look at it, it is kinda frightning. who quit who, who stole who, who owns what, sheesh! I love liking a performer so much that it propmts me to learn more and want to learn more- do more, be invloved as much as i can. But man, it is also scary when you think about it. I like to think of the person i am into as having jam sessions and writing,and meeting a bunch of fellow cool musicians. I do not want to think of them as having lawyers and disputes. Eeeew! It is hard these days to keep private things private- But i find trying to read everyones "sides" of their recount of the happenings is annoying. You never know what is being said is the rtruth any way- plus once the writer shapes it- who knows what the original meanings were. Anyway- i guess i find all the "he said-she said" stuff exhausting. To all musicians out there--Show me on stage. Show me on stage that you like where you are. Show me on stage that you are enjoying your life. You know what i mean?? That is what I need. I need a kick ass show!!!!!!!!!
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Post by tamashigirls on Jun 29, 2008 10:04:05 GMT -5
sounds like they are just jealous that Tracii's Guns are getting more exposure now that he went out and formed his new lineup!! Trust me, this is happening since long time ago,,, it is not about the new lineup, even though I think he may be jealous indeed
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Post by Ceeje on Jun 29, 2008 11:59:45 GMT -5
Taking the high road, huh? Ok. Let me just say that I'm glad Tracii is interested in making new music and not just satisfied with being a "classic rock" bank. (Can I tell you that I hate the application of that term to music that was popular when I was a teenager?!? That phrase is supposed to describe the music of the 60s/70s! lol)
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Post by Cindy on Jun 29, 2008 12:07:58 GMT -5
Tamishigirl,
As Benjamin Disraeli said: "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct."
I had lit professor in Critical Theory who had that quote framed on the wall of his office.
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Post by Amy on Jun 29, 2008 13:37:44 GMT -5
As Benjamin Disraeli said: "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." I love this quote! It transcends time.
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Post by bren on Jul 1, 2008 11:46:21 GMT -5
Tracii may not openly bash his ex-bandmates, but I have heard other musicians say he can be quite difficult to work with. Whether or not that is actually true I dunno.
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Post by BBE on Jul 1, 2008 17:32:30 GMT -5
After reading this article, I have to say that I think this Steve Riley guy has some weird 'logic' going on. From what he wrote, the only thing that matters in a band is who the lead singer is. So if we apply this same 'logic' to Lovehammers, then if the other guys were to find a new lead singer, it still wouldn't be Lovehammers. Only the band that has Marty as a lead singer would be Lovehammers. According to Riley's 'logic', then, Tracii Guns' LA Guns would really now be Lovehammers, because the lead singer was the lead singer for Lovehammers. See how messed up that 'logic' is? Also, I guess that the other version of LA Guns are content to only go around playing their old songs from way back when, rather than be an evolving current band putting out new music. I guess they will be the best "LA Guns' greatest hits cover band" out there. To each their own....
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Post by tamashigirls on Jul 2, 2008 7:26:51 GMT -5
Sorry guys for the late reply, I’ve been really busy with the new site but it is almost finished, the guys have given me the final ok, so I should have some more free time from now on. Ceeje, I know what you mean… but Tracii always want to do fresh things. He doesn’t want to stick in the past. He’s a constant work in progress trying to improve himself and his music… BTW I also hate the “classic rock” term lol Wow Cindy! That quote is very wise… I love it!! Your teacher might be an interesting guy for sure. Thanks for posting it because I didn’t know it Bren, I know Tracii since years ago. I work for him, I’ve toured with him, I’ve seen him rehearsing, recording and treating his partners lots of times and I swear that my impression has always been that he’s the easiest guy to talk and work with. He’s always opened to suggestions and loves the people who bring new ideas to the music. That’s why he’s so happy with Marty, because they are learning from each other and improving the band together. Anyway, that’s my impression based in my own experience… Nancy, that’s funny!! I love your theory lol
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Post by julianah on Jul 2, 2008 14:30:09 GMT -5
Gotta say Tony, that me and the band laugh out loud everytime we read something similar. You will never hear any band member of our layout talking shit about the others... If Lewis and Riley want to do that, well, it is their choice, but we just pay them with our indifference Forgive me for my ignorance, but what did Steve Riley do? I was just checking out the LAG fan site and I've gotta say I found the rules a bit disturbing. I understand that it was someone's attempt at humour, but telling members that "You can feel free to absolutely rape Steve Riley here" doesn't sound like taking the high-road or being indifferent. It sounds downright nasty to me. I'm not easily offended, but that crosses a line for me. I had never heard of Steve Riley before today.
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Post by tamashigirls on Jul 2, 2008 14:39:28 GMT -5
Hi Julianah, I know what you mean, let's say that he did something really dirty that the lawyers got to solve ok? I can only tell you that Tracii has enough arguments to hate Riley
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Post by jillywilly65 on Jul 2, 2008 14:51:15 GMT -5
Sounds like a problem for the lawyers and Steve and Tracii. I'll take your word for it Isa :-)
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Post by BBE on Jul 2, 2008 15:27:30 GMT -5
Forgive me for my ignorance, but what did Steve Riley do? I was just checking out the LAG fan site and I've gotta say I found the rules a bit disturbing. I understand that it was someone's attempt at humour, but telling members that "You can feel free to absolutely rape Steve Riley here" doesn't sound like taking the high-road or being indifferent. It sounds downright nasty to me. I'm not easily offended, but that crosses a line for me. I had never heard of Steve Riley before today. Hmmm, sounds like freedom of speech to me....you know, taking the crunchy with the smooth and the bitter with the sour, etc etc etc. If you truly believe in freedom of speech and want to advocate it, you have to accept it in any form, no matter how personally offensive you find it. So are you advocating censorship now that you have found some free speech that you don't agree with?
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Post by bostongirl on Jul 2, 2008 15:42:15 GMT -5
After reading this article, I have to say that I think this Steve Riley guy has some weird 'logic' going on. From what he wrote, the only thing that matters in a band is who the lead singer is. So if we apply this same 'logic' to Lovehammers, then if the other guys were to find a new lead singer, it still wouldn't be Lovehammers. Only the band that has Marty as a lead singer would be Lovehammers. According to Riley's 'logic', then, Tracii Guns' LA Guns would really now be Lovehammers, because the lead singer was the lead singer for Lovehammers. See how messed up that 'logic' is? Also, I guess that the other version of LA Guns are content to only go around playing their old songs from way back when, rather than be an evolving current band putting out new music. I guess they will be the best "LA Guns' greatest hits cover band" out there. To each their own.... Nancy - I bow to your pure logic I thought I had a good sense of logic but look up to you. Literally and figuratively....
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Post by jillywilly65 on Jul 2, 2008 17:13:17 GMT -5
Okay Class settle down and quit being goobers!!! How's the old saying go? "You can please some of the people some of the time,but you can't please all people all of the time!" or "Sh*t Happens" 0r "Let sleeping dogs lie" or "Chew the meat and spit out the bones" or well you get the idea.................. Hey here's a thought, how about some of the chit chat be reserved for PM's? just a thought
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Post by julianah on Jul 2, 2008 18:20:54 GMT -5
Forgive me for my ignorance, but what did Steve Riley do? I was just checking out the LAG fan site and I've gotta say I found the rules a bit disturbing. I understand that it was someone's attempt at humour, but telling members that "You can feel free to absolutely rape Steve Riley here" doesn't sound like taking the high-road or being indifferent. It sounds downright nasty to me. I'm not easily offended, but that crosses a line for me. I had never heard of Steve Riley before today. Hmmm, sounds like freedom of speech to me....you know, taking the crunchy with the smooth and the bitter with the sour, etc etc etc. If you truly believe in freedom of speech and want to advocate it, you have to accept it in any form, no matter how personally offensive you find it. So are you advocating censorship now that you have found some free speech that you don't agree with? Absolutely not, Nancy. I think I've made it quite clear that I am a strong proponent of free speech. You missed my point entirely. The discussion in this thread was about Tracii encouraging the fans of the LA Guns message board to take the high road and not take part in the trash-talking that was happening on the OTHER LA Guns side. So, I was confused by what looks to me like contradiction in the rules of the site. I had a question about who Steve Riley was because I was wondering what he could have done to incur a statement like the one I quoted. Tamashi was kind enough to answer my question. Thanks, Tamashi! Since you asked, however, Nancy, there have been times when I have encountered free speech that I DO find objectionable. I think we all know that freedom of speech isn't a black & white issue. There are grey areas. For instance, I would not back up a person's right to incite hatred and violence against others (i.e. Holocaust-deniers, racists, Neo-Nazis, people issuing fatwas against writers because they feel their words insult their religion, people publishing child pornography and trying to call it "art"...) If someone wants to post "feel free to absolutely rape Steve Riley here" on their own message board, I would defend their right to do so, whether I find it offensive or not. I believe it was meant to be funny... even if I don't find the use of the word "rape" funny in any context... because I don't believe the writer is actually encouraging people to LITERALLY rape Steve Riley. I'm not that obtuse. The reason I mentioned it here was only because I felt it was pertinent to the discussion about taking the higher ground and because it piqued my curiosity about Steve Riley. P.S. Sorry Jilly. I'm going to let sleeping dogs lie now. I just wanted to answer Nancy's pubic question to me publicly. I'm done now.
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Post by Ceeje on Jul 2, 2008 19:23:21 GMT -5
First, I think it's fair point out the rules say: This is a place to have a positive experience. There will be no Bashing of Phillip Lewis, Stacey Blades or Adam Hamilton on this board. You can feel free to absolutely rape Steve Riley here. If anyone other then Steve Riley is bashed, your IP address will be permanently banned....... Lets have fun!!!!!! Obviously, and as Isa stated, there's no love lost between Tracii and Riley. Very bad blood there. But, the rest of the statement is pretty positive and supportive of the former (or current, depending on how you look at it) LAG members. And, yes, from a woman's perspective, the word "rape" is an unfortunate word choice, but it's being used metaphorically here. This whole censorship/free speech debate and the accusations that there is no such thing as free speech her on the MC.com message board is really puzzling to me. Yes, we do have rules. There's a link to them on every page and on every page it tells you we will enforce them. And, we do enforce them. If people come over here, purposely trying to get banned, then they shouldn't go elsewhere and complain when we ban them and delete their messages. You got what you wanted right? I agree, Julianah, free speech does have it's limits. My old history prof used to say, "Your freedom ends where my nose begins." Meaning that one person's freedom shouldn't hurt someone else. We don't allow hurtful, offensive, and just plain rude comments to be posted here. It's in the rules. We like to protect our members. I'm sorry if some think this is censorship. Can we get back to talking about music and bands?
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Post by jillywilly65 on Jul 2, 2008 19:40:00 GMT -5
Having been a victim of violent crime myself I object to tacky verbage myself. I don't think raping Steve is funny or amusing but what I felt reading that was "Rude and tacky" but I doesn't reflect on the MC.com to me or anyone here but rather the individuals poor taste in using that term. It was a quote. Should it have been posted? Who knows, maybe that line could have been deleted, but I don't think there was any intent of anyone here at the boards to endorse or promote violence. I know there isn't.!! Those words weren't from here just posted here. I think we can all learn to be a little more considerate of the readers in our comments. I know I will try to be. Trying our best is all any of us can do. Moment by moment day by day okay? Now back to our regular programming!!!!
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